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Kyrein · Apr 06, 2008, 07:06 AM // 07:06

if i want to do that, i delete the mes and reroll as an ele, however when i want to play my fast cast ele, i play my fast cast ele
it's just that simple
if i want to use it in AB/RA im allowed to use it in AB/RA

HawkofStorms · Apr 06, 2008, 07:09 AM // 07:09

And that is perfectly fine. Fast casting nukes can be fun (which is the point of a game).

But don't bring it up in an arguement about how expertise should or shouldn't be nerfed because of game balance and a discussion of the strengths of primary attributes in "serious" play.

Kyrein · Apr 06, 2008, 07:10 AM // 07:10

i wasnt the one that brought up fast cast eles

HawkofStorms · Apr 06, 2008, 07:14 AM // 07:14

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Originally Posted by Kyrein

i wasnt the one that brought up fast cast eles

We were explaining that expertise is so powerful compared to certain other primary attributes, like strength and fast casting.

Yuhe Jithen chimes in and says fast casting is good due to fast cast nukes.

You and him say fast casting nukes are good, and others disagree with you.

The point is how good fast casting is compared to expertise. Now, drop it and redirect back on topic.

Kyrein · Apr 06, 2008, 07:15 AM // 07:15

im assuming you didnt see the "fast casting eles are terrible"

Tyla · Apr 06, 2008, 11:47 AM // 11:47

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Originally Posted by Kyrein

i use one attunement

just like most eles

i don't call completely shredding mobs of people or solo capping any shrine in under 30 seconds in AB "fail"

When you said AB there, I came to the conclusion you are clueless.
I've won AB's with a Warrior, spamming FrenzyHealSig, using Mending and using no armour.

Plus shreading mobs of people only happens because those people are stupid and stand in AoE.

And besides, if a Mesmer is using Fast Cast Nuker outside of PvE, they are infact, a very bad Mesmer. Throwing away the "iScrewuUp" potential of a Mesmer...

Kyrein · Apr 06, 2008, 12:03 PM // 12:03

once again, you demonstrate your lack of a brain

youve won ABs like that, but did you actually participate in a useful way??

mobs of people on the bridges with a MM in the way = stuck

would you rather screw up one or two people or put the smackdown on a whole group with aoes?

last time i checked "iScrewuUP" doesnt solo cap shrines

Pyro maniac · Apr 06, 2008, 12:21 PM // 12:21

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Originally Posted by Kyrein

once again, you demonstrate your lack of a brain

youve won ABs like that, but did you actually participate in a useful way??

mobs of people on the bridges with a MM in the way = stuck

would you rather screw up one or two people or put the smackdown on a whole group with aoes?

last time i checked "iScrewuUP" doesnt solo cap shrines

I don't understand

~ Dan ~ · Apr 06, 2008, 02:23 PM // 14:23

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Originally Posted by Pyro maniac

I don't understand

Yeah, me neither.

Fail.

Master Ketsu · Apr 06, 2008, 05:15 PM // 17:15

AB is just a glorified RA that takes place in a Factions PvE mission instead of the TA arenas.

The same crap that works in RA will work in AB with minor alteration.

PureEvilYak · Apr 06, 2008, 05:26 PM // 17:26

I can't understand why they haven't nerfed its effect on touch skills as that pretty much only affects touchers. You might say that touchers can be beaten with cripshot, ice spike, or can't touch this, but to be honest, you have to keep running away every few seconds with cripshot or ice spikes, which isn't ideal (yes, other classes have skills that shut you down in slightly different ways, but they don't have the damage or self healing capabilities) and as for can't touch this... well, thats so incredibly specific, its a slow recharge, hefty energy cost and only affects the user, so its barely ever a good choice to take it.

As for thumpers and suchlike... A ranger with a hammer/scythe/spear/sharp pointy thing with chains, spinning blades, blunt handles and a partridge in a pear tree is just as powerful as a ranger with a bow, just different. Don't punish the attack skills bonus, it simply allows rangers versatility, and isn't overpowered.

Skyy High · Apr 06, 2008, 07:37 PM // 19:37

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Now, wheter it deserves a nerf or not is another story, but you can't deny the fact that it is a powerful attribute.

I don't think anyone did.

I also don't think you can deny that it makes absolutely no difference to nerf expertise to only affect primary skills, as the r/x builds aren't being used in GvG, and as for everything else, there will always be crappy button mashing builds available, so why bother doing this?

Tyla · Apr 06, 2008, 07:55 PM // 19:55

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Originally Posted by Kyrein

once again, you demonstrate your lack of a brain

youve won ABs like that, but did you actually participate in a useful way??

mobs of people on the bridges with a MM in the way = stuck

would you rather screw up one or two people or put the smackdown on a whole group with aoes?

last time i checked "iScrewuUP" doesnt solo cap shrines

A -- This is a team game, not a solo game.

B -- You don't understand what I was implying? I was implying AB is easy. Even PvE is harder.

C -- What do nukers offer other than solo capping shrines anyway? I can go run a Cripshot or something which has versatility and doesn't rely on stupidity for it to be effective.

P.S -- I don't count Mind Blaster as a nuker, because it can have versatility.

And, I would rather play against new gimmick than a tired out one.

Kyrein · Apr 06, 2008, 10:06 PM // 22:06

lol

A -- what happens when your team mates are not around? that happens a lot in AB

B -- remind me where i said AB is hard, you may have run frenzyhealsigmending, but you didnt do much to help your team win, it's called CONTRIBUTING, and obviously your team was good enough to win anyway

C -- how does a fast cast ele require stupidity to be effective? enlighten me.
you lose the massive energy so you have to be more careful about how you cast spells.......that would require MORE intelligence
and OMG YOUR CRIPSHOT HAS VERSATILITY
you must be so proud
did you ever consider that i don't NEED versatility to use my fast cast ele for what i want to use it for?
it's called pure damage, and it kills people.
that is what matters.

please, dear god, at least explain why that is stupid.

and no "its degenerate", please

Tyla · Apr 06, 2008, 10:11 PM // 22:11

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Originally Posted by Kyrein

lol

A -- what happens when your team mates are not around? that happens a lot in AB

B -- remind me where i said AB is hard, you may have run frenzyhealsigmending, but you didnt do much to help your team win, it's called CONTRIBUTING, and obviously your team was good enough to win anyway

C -- how does a fast cast ele require stupidity to be effective? enlighten me.
you lose the massive energy so you have to be more careful about how you cast spells.......that would require MORE intelligence

please, dear god, at least explain why stuff is stupid

and no "its degenerate", please

A -- Get a better team. The majority of AB'ers are bad, and can't do much in the matter of skill.

B -- I'm saying that AB is easy. You didn't say it was hard, no. But if you can win with builds like that, AB is a very, very pathetic way of showing prestige.

C -- Fast Casting Nuker requires stupidity to be effective because -- You would require someone to stand in that AoE to be effective.

Anyone decent would move out of the area that was being took up by the AoE. It's not YOUR intelligence that is the factor there, it is the opposition's intelligence.

Seriously, the more posts you make the worse you make yourself out to be.

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Originally Posted by Your recent edit

and OMG YOUR CRIPSHOT HAS VERSATILITY
you must be so proud
did you ever consider that i don't NEED versatility to use my fast cast ele for what i want to use it for?
it's called pure damage, and it kills people.
that is what matters.

Pure damage is bad. Not running support on a Warrior, Ranger, Mesmer, Elementalist ect. is bad.
Throwing away the shutdown potential of a Mesmer for damage is bad aswell.

And, did you ever consider that versatility allows you to combat multiple situations? Me using the Cripshot bar, was to me an extremely good example.

Stop failing.

Kyrein · Apr 06, 2008, 10:15 PM // 22:15

A -- the majority of ABers are bad, why waste my time hunting for a good team when i most likely won't get one?

B -- did i ever say it was prestigious?

C -- try staying out of 6 AoEs at once.........not easy is it? and when theres 6 or so people crammed onto part of a bridge..........it doesnt really matter

Pyro maniac · Apr 06, 2008, 10:16 PM // 22:16

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Originally Posted by Kyrein

and OMG YOUR CRIPSHOT HAS VERSATILITY
you must be so proud
did you ever consider that i don't NEED versatility to use my fast cast ele for what i want to use it for?
it's called pure damage, and it kills people.
that is what matters.

and no "its degenerate", please

It actually is, versatile equals skill to be effective. No skill required to be effective 'degenerates' the game.
Same as for your fast cast ele applies to expertise craps: no versatility, no skill required to play, better off dead.

this thread is going nowhere tho

Kyrein · Apr 06, 2008, 10:17 PM // 22:17

omg it requires no skill

tell me, do you have ub3r 1337 d-slash skills?

Pyro maniac · Apr 06, 2008, 10:20 PM // 22:20

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Originally Posted by Kyrein

omg it requires no skill

tell me, do you have ub3r 1337 d-slash skills?

d-slash is dumb, it just gets owned by blocks. Not the subject of this thread tho.

Kyrein · Apr 06, 2008, 10:20 PM // 22:20

you didnt answer my question